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w4hammer 8:47 Tue Sep 23
When a tree falls in the forest...

..does anyone hear, does anyone care!?

Regardless of your political persuasion, have you seen that bunch of yesterdays men & women at the labour conference- I watched newsnight last night and the passing attendees looked like the day trip from one flew over the cuckoos nest.

The core plank of their policy seems to be " give us ten years to fix the economy,..." righto " ...and we''ll do that by reducing tax incentives here "....hmm..and err "..taxing everyone elsewhere and re-build this bloated public service which blew the budget last time out...

Dont get me wrong, I think all of the parties are a bunch of idiots, chancers and nose-in-the-trough-cunts. But seriously- why would anyone vote for these 'never-had-a-proper-job-in-their-lives" cunts!?

cheers

Infidel 9:04 Tue Sep 23
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When you have a Conservative led government hiking up taxes, running a grotesque deficit, increasing public spending every year, over regulating business, building on the Green Belt, allowing rampant illegal immigration, promoting the socialist climate change agenda and decimating the armed forces..

... it's probably time to accept that we don't have politics anymore in this country. Cameron, Milliband and Clegg could easily merge their three parties into one.

There isn't a cigarette paper between them.

orwells tragedy 9:11 Tue Sep 23
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depressing

Organi5ed Chao5 9:12 Tue Sep 23
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I dont trust any of the main parties.

When you scratch the surface they are as bad as each other. Wankers.

Nurse Ratched 9:20 Tue Sep 23
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Feck me, SOMEONE'S changed their tune...

Sxboy_66 9:48 Tue Sep 23
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It's sadly true that when deciding who to vote for I now find myself thinking 'Who is the least worst and will make less of a fuck up of things than anyone else?'.

Sven Roeder 9:55 Tue Sep 23
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Well ... I imagine a lot of people calculate that their policies match the personal self interest of them and their families.
Bit like the people who vote for the Conservatives.
Does anyone pretend to vote 'for the good of the country '?
Of course if you did you'd vote for the Tyburn gallows to be set up at Marble Arch again & we could empty parliament in a week.

Infidel 10:03 Tue Sep 23
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Same tune Nurse.

I made a decision a long time ago that I would not vote Conservative as long as Cameron is leader.

He's not a Conservative. He's a soft left social democrat and we have plenty of those in the other parties. They should merge.

lab 10:04 Tue Sep 23
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And we wonder why ukip gain votes.

Nurse Ratched 10:08 Tue Sep 23
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It is a tune that has been decidedly staccato to the ear of anybody who has been paying attention.

Plus ca change...

mentor 10:13 Tue Sep 23
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Yes, now that they have been sussed by the less thick of their supporters, in that they have shit on the working class Englishman rather than fight for them, they have now become irrelevant. Unless you are an immigrant.

Infidel 10:21 Tue Sep 23
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mentor

'fight for the working classes'? Are you living in Dickensian Britain?

The working classes are wrapped in so much cotton wool it's a wonder they haven't suffocated.

Here are some economic fundamentals: over the long term, how much you are paid depends on your productivity. The more value you produce with your labour the more you get paid.

Increasing the minimum wage, lowering the hours worked, increasing maternity leave, increasing holidays, lowering the retirement age, increasing employers' pension contributions all have in common that they reduce productivity. In the long term this will result in lower wages.

Against that you have factors that increase productivity - machines, automation, IT, better processes, education etc.

These two offset each other of course.

Productivity in the UK has been falling for some years now, which means that on balance the factors depressing productivity outweigh the gains made elsewhere. That will result in lower wages - perhaps not immediately but eventually it is inevitable - and absolutely right: if you produce less you should be paid less.

If Labour and the rest of the socialist intelligensia were really concerned about wages falling behind inflation tey would focus on raising producivity.

Perhaps Milliband will surprise us all today and make it the centrepiece of his speech.

Or perhaps not.

Dan M 10:29 Tue Sep 23
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When a tree falls in the forest... will it injure one of our players?

PorkHole 10:50 Tue Sep 23
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The problem with Labour is that it has lost its backbone. The very principles it was founded on, workers' rights, clause IV and syndicalism have been wiped from the 'constitution'.

Perhaps if they did something radical instead of the same ambiguous, blurred policies they regurgitate people may identify with them again.

However, I'll probably still vote for them just to get rid of the Tories.

Infidel 11:30 Tue Sep 23
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Pork

I think ratcheting up public spending by 58% in a period (2000-2010) when GDP rose only 17% is quite radical.

It certainly radically transformed the nation's finances.

From the most successful economy in the developed world to insolvency in just ten years.

You have to marvel at their destructive brilliance.

1964 11:32 Tue Sep 23
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Fucking politics thread - Yawn!

w4hammer 11:38 Tue Sep 23
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I also love the old " the NHS is only safe in our hands " bollocks

Try asking the relatives of the mid-staffs 400-1200 people( yes, thats the number) who an official report said died when they shouldnt have..

They are all as bad as each other- an the reality is UKIP will hoover up votes just by offering an alternative, oh, and he likes a pint.

Actually, thinking about it, thats not a bad manifesto...

Infidel 11:50 Tue Sep 23
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w4

Spot on.

The NHS is appalling. It's one of the worst public health care systems in Europe - extremely wasteful and run like a Soviet tractor factory.

It needs root and branch reform, but that isn't possible as long as the 'Save our NHS' placards are out in force.

It will implode, because there can never be enough money to fund a free at the point of use health care system. That isn't a difficult point to grasp. You have be pretty stupid to think that more money is the answer.

mentor 11:54 Tue Sep 23
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Infidel 10:21 Tue Sep 23
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The working classes are wrapped in so much cotton wool it's a wonder they haven't suffocated.

I think you are talking about the benefit system sub-class. I'm working class and am certainly not wrapped in cotton wool.

Organi5ed Chao5 12:15 Tue Sep 23
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As much as I hate the tories I have to say, Ed Miliband and Ed Balls have to be the two most uninspiring members of the opposition I can remember. Talk about zero charisma.

They also haven't got a straight answer between them.

In this case, 2 Eds are not better than 1.

DagenhamDave 12:29 Tue Sep 23
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'never-had-a-proper-job-in-their-lives" cunts!?

How do any of the parties differ from this? Incidentally the Tories would be the very worst offender in this regard.

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